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Tuesday, 14 July 2009
What more can we do as an installation or Army to assist Army spouses of deployed Soldiers during these year-long deployments?
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The army, with all it's wonderful family support programs, and a new, shiny "Army Strong, Family Strong" ad campaign, as well as the Army Family Covenant, is DIRECTLY enabling the neglect of military children by their active duty parent. How can this be?
What I've been witnessing (through the cases of several friends in just such a situation) is that the Army would rather turn a blind eye to this form of child neglect by an active-duty parent-soldier, rather than lose the extra set of hands of a soldier who appears to be patriotically (and so suddenly) volunteering to go into the war zone.
The army has no program or regulation in place to prevent a soldier from volunteering to deploy when there are pending child support court dates, and support has not been "ordered" (court dates can take MONTHS to get).
Yes, there's Army Reg 608-99, but soldiers have the loop holes all figured out in that one (as do commanders who don't want to be bothered with domestic issues), and thus their saving grace is the Soldiers/Sailors Act once they quickly secure deployment orders.
What protection is in place for these children? Are we missing something?? Does the Army have an accurate statistic for dead-beat-military parents??? Perhaps there's a little-known Army reg out there that DOES prevent soldiers from volunteering for deployment within "x" amount of days of a civilian court date?? If military families across the nation are missing out on this protection - please advise!
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A couple things I would personally like to see:
1. a self defense course for spouses--my daughter & I took 3 semesters worth at a community college while my husband was deployed and it was very useful and empowering. The coach was a retired marine, so he took us under his wing and was very supportive
2. including pregnant spouses in the pregnant soldiers pt--not only would this help the health and well-being of the mother, but it would also help with developing emotional support, afterall having a baby without your husband is depressing in and of itself.
Thank you for listening to all of us. Whether our own personal opinions are integrated or not we all appreciate you trying to make things easier for us.
I did walk into ID card section yesterday (wednesday) only to find 3 soldiers (sitting) and nobody at the counters. Are we effectively utilizing hour resources?
-Those who WANT to promote will make an effort to stay in shape on their own time.
-This will free up, wait, I gotta take my shoes off... 8 hours a week... give or take. The 2 hours 'mandated' PT and the hour and a half of "hygeine" time. Imagine the meetings that could be held!! Imagine the work that could be accomplished!!!
So that's about 6 man hours per soldier... Multiply that by how many soldiers we have on post right now... roughly 15 thousand soldiers. (Calculator aquired) 90,000 man hours per week, re-dedicated to mission essential....stuff. That's not including the gas saved (carbon emissions), time lost to soldier on soldier vehicular accidents (to run home for a shower).
Sir, Train the soldiers, stop spoon feeding the soldiers. Its about time soldiers learn responsibility and personal accountibility. And so, PT is a good start!! You notice that those that WANT to promote (and deserve it) will. And I'll ask this question, "What can you do with 120,000 man hours? (a week)"
(Would this mean Soldiers could get to work BEFORE civilians? Not for nothing, but that would be nice;-)
I don't think it's a matter of time management, it's a matter of Army culture with how everything is a priority. Even after emphasis has been placed on a somewhat decent work day, take a drive around Riva Ridge Loop at 1700 and see for yourself how many cars are still in front of the HQs. And if you actually mandate that everyone goes home by 1700, then take a drive around Riva Ridge Loop at 0500 or earlier and chances are you'll see the same cars in front of the HQs or Company areas. The problem is not time management. The problem is Army culture. We naturally pack way too much garbage on the plate. Then if you try to prioritize, you are told it is all a priority!!
However, With the recent return of my husband now we are facing his third deployment. 12 months exactly "stablization". I find that term funny, because it does take so long for the family to find its functioning ground again and adapt. On top of the fact that my husband already has his training time mapped out for this "stabliliation" period. So they are state side, but our children still do not get to see daddy. What is this that we are reading about mandatory go home hours, does Drum not inact this? Sir, I have a husband who loves his job and is solely dedicated to it. However, if we are looking at 12 on (or more) and 12 sort of off every single year, even he, in this unstable economy, is thinking twice.. something has to be done.. this is what needs to be changed.
Common Access Cards (CAC) routinely require 30 minutes per CAC to download, so in order to meet established office hours in this time of limited resources, the hours of operation for the ID Card Section are 1530hrs hrs for last appointments to be scheduled but the section will not close until 1545hrs, adding an additional 25 minutes per day to service our customers. Due to strict security requirements, however, the last 15 minutes of the day must be reserved for our employees to allow them to do required accountability of ID Supplies, reports, etc.
Also, in an effort to provide more availability time to our customers and because of recent software and hardware upgrades on the CAC machines, we will start opening Wednesday mornings, once we have met union bargaining obligations. We are able to do this because training and hardware maintenance requirements have significantly decreased from the previous version CAC machines. To assure that our employees maintain the proper level of proficiency, however, there will be a periodic requirement to be closed for training but those times will be the exception and we will assure that we advertise the change with our customers.
To address the PIN reset issue, the machine that was located on the front desk of the ID Card Section suddenly became inoperable and is being replaced at this time. We are upgrading the PIN reset laptop and are acquiring the appropriate hardware to go with the newer machine. Until we have finished that upgrade, the ID Card Section is resetting PINs through the Common Access Card terminals that issue CAC cards. Unfortunately, when the CAC machines are used for that purpose, an appointment is required, extending the time required for PIN reset. We will continue to work diligently to get the PIN reset machines running so that we can reduce the time you spend on the resets. Further, we are in the process of adding two other PIN reset machines within Clark Hall to assist with the PIN reset workload. Due to security requirements established with the Common Access Cards program, additional PIN reset machines must be approved through Department of Defense, which slows our reaction time to addressing the problem. We are working the issues and request your indulgence and understanding while we work to provide our customers a better service.
Greg Ferguson
Director, Human Resources
While at Ft Drum, I couldn't put my finger on why the environment there is SO stressful, yet the Army (and Fort Drum) provides SO much to our Ft Drum families and soldiers in the way of support programs, MWR, etc. It baffled me why all these programs weren't utilized MORE (if at all) by the community. Now, I think I have to agree with everyone here who has suggested that the only solution is shorter deployment times, with a guarantee of 1 year non-deployed time before being eligible to be deployed again.
Other branches of the service have MUCH shorter deployment rotations. I'm curious if anyone has surveyed families from all branches of the service to see which branch has suffered the most divorces, violence/abuse, or retention issues?
It's hard to be "family strong" when the "heart" of our family is always gone, and in a combat zone to boot.
4. Marriage Retreats: At one time 2nd Brigade offered a Marriage Retreat weekend in Rochester. My husband and I went and it was great. It was great for reconnecting in our marriage from being apart for over a year on a deployment. I think Fort Drum should offer these more often as a whole not just as a Brigade or Battalion. I truly believe this would also help in the amount of domestic violence issues and high divorce rates we have.
1. Clark Hall Hours: I have gone to several offices in Clark Hall and have had issues with their hours of operation. I understand if there is training or meetings but how much can there be every week? The main office I have issues with is the ID Card office. I would love to work their hours, they are only open on Wednesdays from 1300-1520 and close their doors other days at 1520. What happens to the Soldiers, Contractors and Civilians if they have ID Card issues? You can not always predict when you will need a pin reset or have your ID Card chip no longer work to access computers It is very difficult to get an appointment, customer service is horrible and wait times for pin resets is ridiculous. I have come in before and they were closing their doors (at 1520) and told me to come back the next day. That was a two minute fix but was told they were closing and could not do it for me. That meant I could no longer work until the next day when they could see me and the whole time I am seeing the staff chatting and laughing. The next morning I came in for the pin reset and had to stand in a large line waiting for service, once again I see the staff chatting and no customer service. I could see if this was a one time incident but this is a reoccurring incident as I have had to come in on more than one occasion for service and have seen the same behavior. I know of many others that have faced the same treatment from that office. I know at one time there was a computer at the front desk that allowed for faster service for pin resets but I guess that is no longer?? Is there a way that you can get more pin reset machines throughout Clark Hall or even Fort Drum for faster more effective service? This would save Fort Drum thousands of dollars each year for personnel that can not access their computer and actually work for their paycheck.
2. Guthrie Clinic: Daycare issues. I can understand not bringing an active child with you to your other child’s appointment, but if you have an infant that is sleeping and are told you can not have your other child serviced is absurd. Also, is there anything being done to help parents register their children for this type of care? I am lucky enough not to have to worry about this issue but I have seen many spouses struggle with this.
I work part time when my husband is deployed so I can see my kids more since they are not seeing him. Because the discount does not apply because I only work part time, I am working for a little more than the cost of childcare.
This seems to be a contradiction that CYS only offers discounts to full time employees of deployed soldiers. No matter how many hours you work, you still need additional hours of childcare during the week to make up for the time your husband would have watched the kids if he were here.
I really think you need a mandate, I think a major problem is that there is no accountability behind why these soldiers are working these extra hours. I don't see it so much as hand-tying them but making them double think their decisions and being held accountable to higher authorities for these decisions. You would have leaders who would then ask themselves "is this really needed or do I need to think this through some more, is there a better way to solve this problem?"
It's not so much a problem of idle time in our unit but of someone getting upset and throwing a temper tantrum. When your spouse comes home on Wednesday and says that they have to come in on Saturday and Sunday because someone in the battalion got a DUI or because a certain section didn't finish what they needed too, is that really an effective use of time? You've just taken a weekend away from family time for soldiers that have nothing to do with either of those problems. Suddenly you are left telling kids why the movie can't happen or the parent can't be at the baseball game or left with a birthday that is happening on Saturday and suddenly Mom or Dad is being called into work to do a class A inspection because someone, somewhere got in trouble.
I think a mandate also needs to be in place to identify those units that are often not achieving what they need to do during the duty day. It will hold leaders accountable for what is going on in the units during the day. If a certain unit or section continuously has to work long hours or weekends to accomplish the tasks, then there is some breakdown of time management there that needs to be dealt with.
We all understand that there are valid reasons and times that working extra hours will need to happen. We know that things come up and will require the occasional extra time; containers need to be loaded and unloaded, inspections and inventories need to happen, the office needs a good cleaning, etc. I think thats the key to it though, mandating that there needs to be valid reasons, and I think that leaders really need to be held accountable as to why this could not get done during the duty day.
With all due respect, even 1700 is a long day to be away from families when you consider most have to leave at 0530 to get to PT on time. Figure in an hour for breakfast and shower and 30 minutes for lunch. So it's 10 hour work day 5 days a week or a 50 hour work week.
I know PT is not "work", but the timing isn't optional. My spouse is a senior enlisted soldier, and has never gotten less than a 300 on his PT score, but he's never been rewarded with the option to do PT on his time/schedule. I understand that the soldiers who struggle with PT need the experts around for encouragement, but that could be rotated. I would love to be able to do PT before work, but because his is mandatory, it can never happen. If you rewarded the PT experts with the option to do PT on their time with a rotating PT supervisory schedule, you might even have more soldiers striving for that excellence so they too can be rewarded with that flexibility.
I think soldiers should be also be allowed to attend school events, doctors appointments and every once in awhile be the one to stay home with an ill child. I have found it hard myself to move up in the work place when I have to take weeks off to care for sick children.
My husband's current leadership is MUCH better than it has been at times in the past over the last five years, but I think in anything there's ALWAYS room for improvement.
As the spouse of a soldier, I can definitely see the benefit in and could appreciate having mandated work hours... But I can also see your concern that in doing so will be displaying a lack of trust.
As I said, some units are probably better than others at managing their time... So I'm really not sure if it is completely necessary or not. As a wife, though, I think it would be wonderful for the families if our soldiers were guaranteed to be home by a certain time, and would not be called in on weekends.
This is our first deployment. We have been married almost 9 years. My husband is th "old man" in his unit, joining the Army at age 40. He joined because he beleives in his country and because he needed work.
Most spouses will try and find the answers to any questions they have and there are a lot of resources. If one place doesn't know the answer they will probably be able to send you in the right direction.
Anyway, my suggestion is regarding travel. I haven't seen anything on here yet. Recently, my daughter and I flew to the west coast to visit my mother in law. It would be beneficial to have an inexpensive shuttle/taxi service between Drum and Syracuse and even Rochester. Since we have to travel to one of these places to get to major transportation a shuttle would be a convenient way to get there.
Also, if FMWR would offer more day trips or even weekend trips, I would be game. I can't drive far by myself and would definitely take advantage of these, especially during the summer when my daughter can enjoy them.
And I agree with Rebecca K, a nice kid friendly cafe type of place here on post would be awesome!!!
Once again, thanks for listening.
Also, on the dual military side. I think there should be more of an effort to put the spouses in the same brigade instead of in ones that are deploying at different times. When he requested to be moved to my brigade, he was told tough luck, that they're short people. If it's not training spent apart, which is doubled with dual military, it's having completely different deployment schedules, which is not stressing out and depressing just one soldier, but two in the long run.
1. I think when our Soldiers are home, let them be home. I understand training and field exercises. However, I don't agree with the baby-sitting that goes on. Evident candidates to be chaptered out seem to only be a priority during pre-deployment and deployment. While our Soldiers are here training, they must spend extra time baby sitting these Soldiers who eventually get chaptered out upon deployment. This takes away from precious time that could be spent with families. Weed out the problem children quicker and make the process to get them out more efficient.
2. Mountain Community Homes: I did not choose to live off post. In fact, I would love to live on post. However, when I got to Drum there was no housing available. After 6 months in a hotel, we purchased a home. The sheer fact that I do not live on post should not exclude me from using the amenities offered to those that live on post. The splash parks, playgrounds, and skate parks are great ways to pass an afternoon with the kids while our Soldiers are gone. However, it's a red alert when my child needs to use a bathroom b/c I am not granted access to these facilities. This past weekend I had to plead my case to someone policing the community center as my toddler danced around expressing her need to use the bathroom. During the winter, this problem is exaggerated when access to the indoor playgrounds is denied. I do understand that these community centers are for residents, but once again, I didn't choose to not be a resident. This decision was forced on me and my family.
A childcare room at Guthrie would relieve stress for families with and without deployed a deployed Soldier. There are plenty of times when our Soldiers are here and they can’t get off of work. I know this project is in the works and I think that it will benefit ALL families here on Drum
Thanks again for your interest.
My husband is a SSG with one of the units of 2BCT, so, as you know, he will be deploying soon. This will be our third deployment since getting married about five and a half years ago.
There was more time between this deployment and the previous one than there was between our first and second deployments, but when you factor in time away from family for training, field exercises, TDY, etc, there is still a lot of time that Army couples spend apart even when the soldier is stateside.
I realize that there is no way around that, as it is an integral part of the soldier's job and duty; however, as was previously mentioned, the Army's deployment time is the longest of any of the military's branches of service. As was also previously mentioned, there have been numerous studies that have concluded the mental health of our soldiers - and now also their spouses and children - is in serious decline and trouble. (Honestly, though, any soldier, spouse or child would have told you that, had they been asked. They didn't have to do a study to figure that out!) This is due in part to the frequent deployments and to the length of time spent away from home, and, more importantly, away from family.
By shortening the overall length of the deployments and/or increasing the length of time spent stateside, you allow more time to recover from the previous tour, which in turn eases the stress and strain on the soldiers and the families: More holidays, birthdays, anniversaries, and other special events can be spent together, more time is available to work through family crises, and, additionally, could allow for more time for training, etc., but wouldn't have to occur so often or close together. To put it simply: 12 months is just not enough time home when you subtract the time spent in training, in schools, in the field, etc, and then ask for seemingly back-to-back deployments of 12 months with only two weeks of R&R leave to come home to see family.
Another option - but not as desirable, in my opinion - is to somehow make communication between deployed soldiers and their families easier, more readily available, and more frequent. There were times when my husband was deployed that I did not talk to him, either via email or phone, for a few WEEKS, if not closer to a month or more. I really feel that is just shameful! I know when they are deployed there are missions, blackouts, etc, but in the technologically advanced age we live in now, shouldn't I be able to talk to my husband more than just once a month, even though, yes, he is on the other side of the world? I know of many wives and significant others who feel the same way. Then, when you factor in those families who have children, is it any wonder why our military children are utilizing mental health care services more frequently than the general population? At least being able to speak more frequently with our deployed soldier would bring SOME peace of mind and ease the stress of the deployment to a SMALL degree.
Again, I want to thank you for posing this question and taking the time to read everyone's responses.
As a side note: I am 24 yers old, and 35 weeks pregnant with our first child. We have been stationed at Fort Drum for five of the six years my husband has been serving in the Army. Only during our first deployment did I stay with family, and that was because he deployed within two weeks of our getting married, and we did not have housing or anywhere for me to live yet here in Fort Drum/Watertown. I work full-time outside of the home, and am, as some other folks have put it, extremely independent, TYVM.
Thank you for this opportunity to express my thoughts on what actions Fort Drum can do to better assist the military spouses stationed at the post.
I work with the FRG and speaking with the spouses, finding employment seems to be their number one issue. These are spouses that want to work to help supplement their income, but are finding it difficult to find employment.
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I, personally, appreciate everything that the Army and Fort Drum does for families of deployed soldiers.
I have to disagree with the negative comments about the FRGs and the "lazy wives". Some girls just don't know how to take care of the "guy chores" and should not be condemned, but pointed in the right direction. I'm sure that many places on post and in town would be willing to have a class on how to change a tire, weedwack a yard, etc. There are many resources offered to spouses, but apparently they have no clue about it. I suppose such groups like the Hearts Apart will have to advertise more.
As for group outings mentioned in previous comments, it is hard for an FRG to get together with spouses if their opinions are that we're just a bunch of gossipers. As a FRG leader, I do have many spouses and parents that appreciate the time and effort that I put into the position, others don't seem to. With it being a volunteer position, sometimes it is difficult to maintain with the negative comments or unsuccessful planned events. It is a lot of work and takes up much of my time, but I truly care about our soldiers and their families, so I do not mind it. But after reading some of the comments from other spouses, it seems like their FRGs may not be as organized and therefore aren't getting the necessary information (they would have to care somewhat or else they wouldn't have taken the 8 hour course). Maybe if they felt more appreciated they would try harder.
I think the hardest part of a deployment is the emotional hardships, mainly on the children. I understand that deployments come with the job, and cutting the time in half or even to 9 months may not be an option. However, kids need a fatherly figure around and it is difficult for a spouse to fulfill without looking like they are cheating. The Half Way Home party was great. Besides the wonderful day of free bouncers, pedal cars, food, atv rides, banner making, etc etc; my son and his friend (both 2 1/2 years old) interacted with some of the male soldiers and they had a great time. Maybe there could be some kind of program every month or so, or if there is maybe they could pass the information along to the FRGs.
In closing, I really enjoy the opportunity to voice my opinion and I appreciate the interaction you provide with these blogs! Thank you.
I would like to offer any soldier or spouse the opportunity to attend a Free Car Care Clinic at Service Plus Automotive. We are located outside of Fort Drum at the corner of Routes 283 & 342. We have been offering these classes through your FRG groups for about a year and have held three successful clinics.
During the clinics we review how to change a tire, check air pressure, jump start the battery, inspect all fluids and many more helpful maintenance tips to prolong the life of a vehicle.
If anyone is interested in attending or organizing a class, please contact me at Service Plus Automotive - Phone - 315-773-3400 or e-mail at jenniferh@serviceplusautony.com and I would be happy to organize another class.
Thank you!!
Jennifer Hulbert
Service Plus Automotive
I was intensely pressured by many to be active in my FRG then to take the courses once I was arm-twisted into being a key caller, leader, treasurer etc. The problem is the courses were always offered during my work hours, and announced way too late for me to be able to request time-off.
I'm thrilled that the courses are available to those that have flexible enough lives to accomodate attendance, but be careful not to shun the spouses who cannot sacrifice their career for an AFTB class or a last minute FRG luncheon on a weekday.
I do think that we need some polices while in garrison to get soldiers home earlier and more often. More 4 days and a ban on working on weekends if there is not a balanced reason. Many times our unit has been called into work the weekend because someone in the battalion got a DUI. I understand promoting unit cohesion, but honestly not everyone knows everyone in the battalion and has the ability to stop the person and working that weekend has also punished a couple hundred families. They have also called in the entire battalion because one section did not get its work done. Why not just call in the one section?
While I do not have small children I do see the need for more child care. I also see programs that I think are a bit much. I don't think that when a spouse is deployed that if you live in housing you should be able to get your snow shoveled and the lawn mowed on the governments dime. Maybe open up to have a paid service for that.
Also most of the things to help out families are geared toward those that live on-post and those that have small children. While a good portion of the families have small children, by your own staffs account in previous blogs Drum only houses 30% of its population. Also for programs the time needs to be taken into account. There was a kids support group that met on post at 4. When you live off post and your child gets off the bus at 4 the program is no help. Maybe some of these programs could be set up in satellite locations? Having kids support groups at the schools seems like it might be a great idea.
Better communication with soldiers deployed would be helpful. The internet overseas is substandard and extremely expensive. As is being locked into ATT for calling cards. Communication closes the gaps between soldiers and families.
The other thing is that we need more military schooling here. Many soldiers do not want to take the time to TDY to schools because thats time away from home. Sure we have WLC and BNOC here and deployed but what about other schools and ranks?
Finally, we keep hearing that the year deployment is needed to promote cohesion with the locals, my question is why do Special Forces, the Air Force, and the Marines not need the year? Also why do jobs and units that have no local interaction need the year as well.
This would accomplish many things - It would enable locals to show their support of the troops, give a base of possibly an extended an locally knowledgeable support network, provide emotional and social support, babysitting, backup in sickness, information on places to go and other resources, possible help with home chores and repairs, and an endless myriad of other important intangeable benefits.
in 1997. 20 years with no major conflicts or deployments. I thought
it was tough just to be separated from family when posted to
Germany from 3 years at a time before cheap telephone rates. I really
don't know how marriages and individuals survive the repeated
deployments the current conflicts demand. I would dread a draft or
mandatory national service, but am convinced these wars would end
quickly if MORE OF THE COUNTRY WAS PERSONALLY CONNECTED TO THE
WARS AND SACRIFICES. Vietnam? I think these wars are worse in many
ways.
Since the families that I am in contact with are not close to the base, I can not comment on many of the issues that are mentioned in this blog. However the one single problem that I see over and over again with the loved ones left behind during a deployment is THE LENGTH OF THE DEPLOYMENT NEEDS TO BE SHORTENED TO 6 - 7 MONTHS. PERIOD. The stress level of an extended deployment that lasts over a year is can destroy even the most stable family (who has outside support in the community). Many civilians like myself feel very strongly about this.
This is not something that I personally need but have been witness to several patients at Guthrie who were given an hard time when the Nurse noticed that they had brought another child. One of which was asked to reschedule due to the "Clinic Policy." Which I felt was absolutely ridiculous considering the infant was sleeping soundly in the Mothers arms.
18 years ago, this starry eyed wife of a PV2 lived without an internet to research moves. I, OMG, went to the library, AAA, called installations and, shocker, talked to people. Functioned through separations courtesy of the military by letter writing, paying phone bills (without the extra "entitlements") and reading repair books or calling my family. Didn't complain about it. Just did it. Now, if a website is down it is as if the world ended.
We helped his Soldiers in need because it was the right thing to do. We did Friday potluck lunches in his work area. Celebrated together, supported each other. Now, a NCO is more likely to call authorities than help a Soldier. Spouses don't know what unit their Soldier is in, let alone where it is or what the Soldier's work area looks like. Soldiers work together without knowing the guy beside them is married or the guy across the bay has an autistic son. Spouses spout the "it isn't my life" when ask why they aren't more involved.
Raised 4 kids who adore their father, miss him terribly when he isn't around, and enjoy every second he is. The dog hasn't even forgotten him. It's priorities. Yes, the deployment cycle is brutal. But I can name 20 Soldiers and spouse easily who will take their kids to a friends house and go out and get drunk every weekend. Another 20 where the Soldier goes out and the spouse stays home with the kids. What is wrong with staying home? Double bonus ... family is stronger and DUIs go down.
Now, is the whining about $50 for internet in country ... "why can't the military pay for it?" Meanwhile, a married Soldier (not dual military) gets a minimum of $600 extra a month. 16 hours of free childcare each month. Scholarships / Grants for spouses wishing to return to school. Accomodation for spouses to get assistance with careers. Etc, etc.
Seriously, I think the Army should pass the policy of no cell phones for Soldiers during deployments. Aviation manned up and banned them ... best decision. Personal internet and webcams are okay but they have to be disabled right along with everything else during a blackout. Maybe not having a Soldier so readily available will make the spouse a little more independent. With the added bonus of cutting rumors WAY down.
Free childcare? Only if the spouse attends an AFTB class or Coping with Separation class.
Oh .... how about not keeping quarters when a spouse decides to leave during a deployment? Force them to REALLY think about the choice. Maybe more will stay AT Fort Drum and family issues will cut down.
I truly don't know when the Army went to more handholding and less empowering. Main reason I now count down to the walk across the stage in 1 year, 8 months, 1 week.
In all honesty this question is kind of stupid. The way wives are treated will never change. I have been doing this 10yrs now, this deployment alone I have had 4 emergency vet visits, numerous kid doctor appointments, two weeks of no water because of a frozen waterline, a leaky roof (still not fixed) and a death in the family that I have had to handle by myself. If you can't handle a little yard work move back in with mommy and daddy during the deployment.
It's when the soldiers get home from deployment that improvements can be made. Sure they get two weeks off but then (at least for my husband) it's back to working non-stop, with not being able to take time off to go to things such as school graduations or parent/teacher conferences.
I've endured now 5 deployments before and after we had children. I've been a grad student, commuted long distances to internships, moved multiple times, managed finances, been pregnant, reared toddlers, troubleshot major power outages during the dead of winter, traversed long evaluation and diagnosis processes for a special needs child....all while working full-time and being married to a spouse who has been away from home more than %60 of the time. (On one of my angry days, I actually sat down and did the math.)
My husband is a good father, and loves his children very much, but to them, he is a novelty because he's rarely home to spend any time with them. Skype has been great this deployment, but it's not reliable -particularly during dust storms which seem to be endless this summer. Even when it's working well, it's not a substitute for the human contact both the soldier and his or her family craves and needs.
Bottom line, the research our country has done and is still doing all points to the same answer when looking at mental health of the soldier, the spouse, and the children. SHORTER DEPLOYMENTS. Figure on 6 month deployments. They are still gone 7 months instead of 6 when you consider BNCOC, ANCOC, TDY for MOS-specific schools, field problems, JRTC, NTC, etc.
I read the headline a week or two ago about yet another study on deployed soldiers families and how children of those soldiers used/required mental health services far more than the general population. When are we going to stop pouring money into studies like these, and instead pour it into the justifiable cost of shorter deployments? Don't our soldiers already sacrifice enough? Do they now have to knowingly sacrifice the mental health of their children too?
I have volunteered in numerous positions and been trained as an FRG leader and Key Caller. However, I have seen many who hold these positions that are not. It is imperative that all FRG leaders attend training...it is informative and I have yet to meet even one person who attended that did not learn something about the military, the Army, and/or the base. Our FRG had a wonderful welcome packet, something like the battle book they now hand out before deployements, and it was the best thing ever. Not only did it hold information about the base, the Army, and the military in general, it held golden information about the surrounding areas and what there was to do.
I, also, have been trained and have worked at the financial readiness office and can safely guarantee that the most common issues facing spouses during deployment are financial and child care. The base has seriously grown its child care resources in the last couple of years and there is now free child care provided for spouses of deployed soldiers that is quite easily accessable...with no registration fees. However, having a financial brief with all soldiers and their spouses would be ideal before and after deployments. Single soldiers don't have a clear idea of what they can do with that extra money other than spend, spend, spend. Married couples tend to not communicate clearly before, during, or after deployments. Learning to manage money with two people in two different parts of the world is a hard lesson. With help, it can make the transition much smoother and help lessen these issues during such a stressful time.
From one spouse of a deployed soldier...thank you, sir, for taking the time out to assess the situation and hear our thoughts from the front line back home.
Proud spouse of a Soldier
There are many of us out there who "do it all" and don't ask for a pat on the back for it. Frankly I don't need it. My situation is different to Ashley's in that I have only one child...but I also have 3 horses, 3 dogs, cats and 40 acres of farm to handle...on my own. I also have a "real job" outside of the home job. I don't ask for handouts. I don't take advantage of the ridiculous "freebies" offered under the Family Covenant (because, frankly, I think it's ridiculous and it should be offered to only those of E-5 and below rank). I've done this all between deployments and since my child was an infant..and she's now 9 years old.
The army has created a pack of DEPENDENTS as opposed to a pack of independents. Where do I see it most? I'd like to say it's in the younger generation...but I know a good handful of my generation who are an embarrassment to me.
So what do you do?
You make it work. Thousands of single-parenting women who aren't military affiliated do it every day. What makes us any different? Nothing. Sure, our spouses and significant others are deployed. It's their JOB. Get over it. And if you can't...then move on. Don't be a burden to others because you don't have the intestinal fortitude to handle it. You're an embarrassment to yourself and the rest of us.
But for the record, I'll be expecting Genevieve Rhone at my place at 8 am sharp on Saturday to help mow the fields, school the horses, do some stalls and hang up my bug zappers. Oh yeah. And the fenceline needs repair. Of course, my daughter and I will be there to assist. She makes great lemonade and wields a mean stall fork. Thanks.
Cars are going to break down. Children are going to get sick. Roofs are going to leak. These things are going to happen if our Soldier is here or not. The frustration that accompanies these situations is often compacted by our Soldier's absence. Sadly, deployments are part of the life we signed up for.
*Casualty Notification Brief. Many spouses are scared and overwhelmed at the thought of their soldier deploying. The months prior to deployment are always very busy and usually involve transition of some sort for the family. It may be helpful to have this briefing offered to spouses again perhaps around the 3-month mark of deployment as families begin to settle into deployment mode and as those tough questions and worries begin to inevitably surface. For spouses who leave town, it may be helpful to have the briefing material sent out in some form be it on paper, powerpoint or dvd.
*Community Resources Fair. Many Battalions have started doing an info fair during their predeployment briefings and it seems that this is very successful. It may be helpful to do another fair for spouses around the 3-6 month mark of deployment. This fair could include local school representatives, housing, medical, efmp, cdc, red cross, deers and etc. to give the spouses another opportunity to speak with and access information from subject matter experts.
As I said, not all spouses will actively seek solutions to their problems, but spouses who may not be able to attend these events during the pre-deployment time frame would benefit greatly from these sorts of things.
Thank you for asking!!!!
I think for the most part the majority of the spouses do rather well during deployments. Some of the things that I know that I'd like to see as well as many wives I know would be some sort of social gathering place like a cafe offering coffee, tea, light meals such a soup and salad (which could also be used to encourage healthier eating over Burger King and the other fast food places). Just a place to sit and talk. I have often thought that where that was club in where SubWay and Dominos is would be perfect. I have seen places that also have areas for the children set up with toys and small play houses allowing them to play but still be under the supervision of parents.
Also, there isn't much in the way of entertainment here in the North Country - is it possible to get some USO tours through here? I know that when ACS held the Military Spouse Appreciation afternoon the entertainment was excellent.
One last thought, I've been out on my bike more and more this summer as I try to ride to places that I would normally drive. There are not a lot of bike racks at the commissary, clark hall and the community centers to name a few. There is a perfect bike rack/bench outside the PX - could we get more? This is a beautiful post and many things are easy to get to by bike. I think it would encourage others to get out and ride more.
Thanks for asking!!
I knew entering my marriage being involved with a soldier would not always be a bed of roses; it would not always be easy. And sometimes, “not easy” is an understatement. I work full time, I have two children and all their commitments, and own a house, which requires a lot of work. I cook, clean, mow, snow blow, weed eat, take out garbage, fix children’s hair, clean up spills, refinish hard wood floors, change out overhead fixtures, paint, pay for daycare, and on, and on without complaining or thinking this should be given to me or I should be assisted in these endeavors.
I do not state this but minute list of things I do in hopes the public will pat me on the back but rather I list it to clarify my point; that the spouses seeking free hand outs should just buck up and be thankful their loved one is willing to serve this country.
However, to make the obtuse acute, I think we need a way to actually “see” our loved one. It has been stated that vision accounts for some 75% of all sensory perception in humans*. With that said, it is tough for a four-year-old to connect with a father who is half a world away when she cannot see him for year. I have witnessed how much more interactive my children are when they Skype with relatives back home as opposed to a basic phone call. I can only imagine the impact the same would have if it were with their father.
So instead of handouts and freebies why not implement better video conferencing programs or the like?
*Optomap, 2009
My opinion - The answer is in the question, "What more can we do as an installation or Army to assist Army spouses of deployed Soldiers during these year-long deployments?"
Answer: Cut the deployment time in half.
The Army has the longest deployment time in DoD. Most deployments of our Sister Services are 6-7 months...a much more manageable time frame for families to work within when it comes to separation issues.
Consider a Soldier deployed for 6-7 months...they may miss a couple major holidays, a few birthdays, and maybe an anniversary or birth. However, a Soldier deployed for 12-15 months will most likely miss EVERY holiday, EVERY birthday, and EVERY anniversary and birth
for the year they're gone.
My son-in-law is a U.S. Marine, who is heading out on his second deployment to Iraq (7 months). He just returned from there Oct 08. His daughter was born during the first deployment (Jun 08), and with this second deployment (Aug 09), he will end up missing 11 months out of her first 21 months of her being alive. The key though is that he has been able to connect with her (and my daughter) in between deployments, and I have watched how they have worked out family issues during this time while also getting ready for his second deployment. This shorter cycle time seems more hopeful and less daunting, than say trying to run the entire marathon in one race.
Deployments for families (no matter how long) are all about maintaining connections to their loved ones, and it's time to Drum up some chatter on how the U.S. Army can efficiently and effectively deploy their forces for 6-7 months, and start giving our brave men and women and their families a little more connection time to work with on the family front.
Maybe a few Black Belts from Lean Six Sigma could do the heavy lifting on the merits of this idea...
Respectfully,
Army Civilian,
MSgt, USAF Retired