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Afghanistan - Way Ahead


What are your thoughts now that the President has announced the way ahead for Afghanistan - now that we know 1BCT will be involved in the coming surge (and already knew the 10th CAB would deploy there next fall).

I found it heartening to read the article in this week's Mountaineer citing the Secretary of the Army and Chief of Staff both saying the surge in Afghanistan will NOT lead to increased deployment lengths or a decrease in dwell time.  

(Moderator Note: This week's Mountaineer can be found online at: http://www.drum.army.mil/sites/postnews/mountaineer/mountaineer_online/index.asp)

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Its the camera's for show but its the little things for go
20 Thursday, 07 January 2010 06:38
Bob Thomas
MG Terry-
I tapped into your blog because I have a niece married to one of your capt's in 10th mountain who has been trying to get his troops and himself back to Fort Drum since before Christmas. I am a former Naval Aviator who served 25 years, a tour as a CO, and two combat tours in Vietnam with only a 7 month turnaround between so I have some idea of ops tempo. I find it interesting that Gen Casey has his "Cams" and an emphasis on talking to the troops getting their feedback-You use this to "keep your ear to the ground" But it is always attention to the little things that really get the job done. You had a group of soldiers coming home that were delayed in country for a number of reasons. They get on an airplane C-5 headed back-emergency landing in Italy (not anyone's fault-pressure problem) then a broke airplane in Rota as of Jan 5th. No word on when they were getting out of there. They have to pay for their lodging (I fault my Navy for not comping the guys) and reading his message there does not seem to be any concern or effort from his leadership on getting them back to their families. There was however concern and effort to get them to the fight. Through it all he says he and his soldiers can laugh about it. You can do all the public things you want to create the picture but but it is always the small things that get the job done.
Bob

(Moderator Note: Bob - thanks for your comment. Sorry it took so long to post but we wanted to do some fact finding and here's what we were able to find out: The original flight your niece's husband was manifested on had a window of departure from Bagram of 25-29 December. However, the original scheduled aircraft was delayed as you mentioned - for a number of reasons (maintenance issues, and part of crew going on emergency leave from previous mission). It finally departed on 2 January - and as you also noted experienced pressurization problems and had to land in Rota, Spain. Passengers traveling on this flight secured billeting in Rota - which is a reimbursable expense as per the Defense Travel Regulation. So that money is recoverable.)
A range of opinions
19 Sunday, 03 January 2010 11:04
MG James Terry
I read all of the comments below. They reflect a range of thought that represents all points of view from determined, stalwart mission accomplishment to wanting to ease the deployments and bring our Soldiers home now.

I started this thread saying I am heartened by the comments our Army leadership has expressed with regards to dwell time and OPTEMPO. I appreciate you sharing your thoughts on this and other issues be they positive, negative or neutral. This is an invaluable resource that helps me see and understand the division and our community better.

MG T
silent majority
18 Wednesday, 30 December 2009 06:38
silent majority
Sir---thanks for using this medium to communicate, however, I am dismayed that this has become an opportunity for a vocal and disgruntled minority to attract the attention of the command. Many of us are quiet and support servicemembers and families, if everyone recalls--two years ago things were looking tough in Iraq---we surged and now we are almost out of there---lets hope that is the same in Afghanistan, although we would much rather be at home---lets look long term and be grateful that our leadership is trying to put an end to this---the end is in site---we all need to be positive!
unwinnable war
17 Sunday, 20 December 2009 11:27
Army wife
Your question begs addressing 2 separate issues...

While we could tactically win a war with only the Taliban who happen to currenlty be in Afghanistan, I ask what would we be winning? The distrust and hatred of the radical poverty stricken Islamic community? Vindication of their radical thoughts that we are as evil as they believe? We know from long experience that with this type of enemy, killing one only makes 4 more rise up in their place. What is America gaining?

The second issue that hits closer to home is soldier and family fatigue. How many casualities, deaths, PTSD cases, failed marriages, and psychologically damaged children are we willing to bear?
1. Deployments are too long and frought with inefficiencies and down time that damages morale and faith in the value of the mission.
2. Dwell time is too short and frought with absences for schools and training.
3. Training schedules are largely inaccurate and inefficient.
4. Human beings (soldiers, spouses, and children) inherently have some level of resiliency, but repetetive stressors take a toll on all, and some souls end up irrevocably damaged.

If our citizens, tax payers, leaders, and legislators feel that the price of this war is justified, then institute compulsory service for 2 years out of high school for men and women. One of two things will happen - perhaps both. The necessity of all conflict will be objectively and thoroughly evaluated by all not just those directly affected by it - so this war will be staffed and supplied appropriately, or deemed ineffective and unnecessary and therefore abandoned.
Thank You
16 Saturday, 19 December 2009 19:56
Joseph
Sir,
Thank you for keeping your Ear to the ground.
Climb to glory.
Troop Surge
15 Saturday, 19 December 2009 08:26
MSG (RET) Dan
Come on, a surge only means a higher percentage of our causalities! Lets do the right thing by doing away with our policies and procedures and let the Armed forces fight the way they are trained to. Or better yet, Introduce, and non-regulate the use of the American Technology that delivers higher enemy casualty rates!

Totally against the "Surge" because it is by far the answer!
What dwell time?
14 Friday, 18 December 2009 13:46
Victoria
I have to agree with a few others here. While the surge may be in the best interest is there no way to spread out the deployments more equitably? RIght now, after returning in October we are being told that we will be gone by August, where is that year we keep being promised? Then soldiers are getting in trouble for not attending schools, when are they supposed to?

Frankly, I see a lot of broken disgruntled troops who stuck around because they believe the promises only to have them broken. How can you do any good somewhere when your will is broken?

We still have more troops in Iraq then we did before the surge there all along being told we are puling out. So really do any of us really think that we'll be pulling out of Iraq in 2011?
My Thoughts
13 Friday, 18 December 2009 13:44
Lola
I am still considered a new soldier in the army. I am acttually deployed in Iraq right now. While i looked forward to my first deplpoyment and the chance to serve my country I dont relish the idea of coming home to be shipped off agian. All the training we undergo to complete our missions may be important but so is time to break and recover. I am gonna miss the chance to see some of my fellow comrads come home from this first rotation to Afgahnastan because we will be on the next one out before they make it back. Another thing to consider is wut of those married army couples who alternate deployments because they are in different brigades. These couples get maybe four months to be together and thats only if they arent schedualed for training.

I am proud to serve my country and stand next to the men im with, but more thought needs to be put into the equality of deployments. Thank you for allowing my voice to be herd. Climb to Glory!!!!!
A different fight
12 Thursday, 17 December 2009 14:42
Thomas
It may have worked here in Iraq, but by giving the Taliban a date they can just wait out any surge of troops into Afghanistan. When we leave there it will go back to being ruled by them over time.

They did the same things to the Russians, who had much more manpower there than we ever did even after this "surge", they are doing to us. Stinging where they can with minimal losses and waiting for us to get tired of losing people and money.
Afghanistan
11 Thursday, 17 December 2009 09:37
SGT
I think the surge in long over due. I agree the deployments should be passed around more. When we come home from a deployment we are home about 3 months before we start into JRTC and NTC rotations then we use 2 months to prepare all equipment to go. So really the dwell time turns into maybe 5 months at home with our families. I just wish the media would show some of the good things that we have done over there instead of all the negative stuff!
Not worth it
10 Thursday, 17 December 2009 09:32
Retirement sounds good
Sure this surge sounds good on paper, but as a 3BCT soldier, just getting back last week, how I can I feel good about being home when I know that I'm not even going to be home for a year? (agreeing with the previous post about training requirements, along with ANCOC, BNCOC, etc) I knew that the plan was to leave again in Jan/Feb 2010 before we even knew our dates to return home after this deployment! How comforting is that? How can we re-intergrate with our families successfully if we already are on the countdown clock the minute we step foot off the plane?? Dwell time is not applied to us up here at Drum, and that definitely needs to be addressed. The longer I stay here at Drum, the better retirement sounds. Drum can't win this war alone... give us some real DWELL time and send the other soldiers who haven't even deployed once! This will be my 5th next year. They are soldiers too, with the same training-- let them bear some of this burden.
SURGE
9 Thursday, 17 December 2009 09:18
MARION SPICER
DON,T REINFORCE PIECEMEAL. INSERT ENOUGH TROOPS TO GET THE JOB DONE.
Terrible
8 Thursday, 17 December 2009 07:36
Leaving early
Sir
We just returned in October of this year now we are preparing to leave again in august. What's this dwell time I keep hearing about? Then add stupid jrtc rotations that you learn nothing from cause your last deployment was only Nine months ago we get very little time with family.
Training
7 Wednesday, 16 December 2009 21:26
Strick Nasty
Well since combat operations are going to continue those of us in 3BCT are wondering what types of training we should begin focusing on, besides the basic warrior tasks and drills, to prepare for our next deployment which has been said to be in Jan/Feb 2011.
Army wife for 20 yrs
6 Wednesday, 16 December 2009 21:21
Tina
Sir to be quite honest, I believe the surge should have taken place a while ago. I hope that it is the step forward that we need to finally end this war and bring our soldiers home. My only fear is that Ft Drum is going to pay the price with the constant deployments while other posts experience 2-3 or more years dwell time. They need to pull their fair share as well. I understand that we are the 10th Mountain, and that is why we are so well equipped for the job, however, training at JRTC and NTC should suffice for training other troops at other posts. We are asking too much of our men and women here at Drum, and it needs to be re-evaluated. Personally, after 8 years at war, the parking lot idea sounds like an acceptable alternative. My kids need their Dad to be home for more than just one birthday every couple of years. Thanks for listening!
Afghanistan
5 Wednesday, 16 December 2009 20:11
Leaving "this spring"
Sir,
My 2 cents...

I'm impressed to see both sides of the spectrum being allowed to be posted here. Its refreshing to be able to read everyone's opinion, not just those who only have nice things to say.

I believe that 12 month deployments, no decrease in dwell times, no stop-loss, volunteered extensions with $500 bonus's are all great.
12 month deployments are still long, any deployment away from family is long, but Its nice to know we will not spend any extra time away. Same thing with the 12 month dwell time.

As far as stop-loss and the new extension program, its nice to have a choice and not be stop-lossed if we dont want to be. I think that new plan was made more to benefit the VA more than the soldier. The VA has many issues with the new GI Bill, and all focus needs to be on processing GI Bill claims, and not Stop loss claims (I hope those who extended will be paid monthly, real-time, for their extension, not a lump-sum at the end... for obvious reasons if you are following the GI Bill ordeal.)

As for the mission for Afghanistan, I cant comment. No orders. Its hard to trust planning things when I still havent seen a date on paper.
It's not worth it at this stage
4 Wednesday, 16 December 2009 19:41
Ret. Marine VN Vet (Infantry)
I support the troops 100% and always will. I was a troop one for 20 years ... and my son was 82d Trooper: Panama (WIA) and first Gulf War.

My loyalty and respect for everyone in uniform cannot be unchallenged ... but this phase of Afghanistan is wrong.

To me, it's early 1965 all over again as we geared up then (moderna day surge). How'd that work out by 1973?

In Afghanistan the terrain is our #1 enemy ... plus no power / country has for any period of time ever controlled in any sense of that word the mixed and uneducated and staunchly independent tribes who are dead set on keeping any Western power out.

What makes us think that we will the first to crack that code is mind-boggling to me.

It's time to come home. Thanks for this forum, General, and good luck.

Dan Francis (Watertown)
Agreed
3 Wednesday, 16 December 2009 17:17
suprised
Nine years later in afghanistan and the only thing we (the Army) proved is that we are really good at catching bullets and bombs. Finish the job, for crying out loud and bring our guys home! It's time we've moved onto the next.
I'm also suprised (that the comment was allowed) and I agree with the paratrooper about the parking lot thing. Only thing that county seems to be good for is breeding ignorance and illiteracy. Can we help someone (a country or a people) that actually appreciates the help?
surge
2 Wednesday, 16 December 2009 16:27
Major Dan Elliott
It is great to see the 10th Mountain Division leading the way. I think Colonel Haight said it right in his letter to his soldiers when he stated that one of the best ways to honor those who have made the ultimate sacrafice in Afghanistan is "winning on this battlefield".

Thanks for continuing the blog!

Climb to Glory

Respectfully,
Surge
1 Wednesday, 16 December 2009 15:33
Retired Paratrooper
Make a Parking Lot out of that place and bring our troops home.



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