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Afghanistan - Way Ahead
Wednesday, 16 December 2009
What are your thoughts now that the President has announced the way ahead for Afghanistan - now that we know 1BCT will be involved in the coming surge (and already knew the 10th CAB would deploy there next fall).
I found it heartening to read the article in this week's Mountaineer citing the Secretary of the Army and Chief of Staff both saying the surge in Afghanistan will NOT lead to increased deployment lengths or a decrease in dwell time.
(Moderator Note: This week's Mountaineer can be found online at: http://www.drum.army.mil/sites/postnews/mountaineer/mountaineer_online/index.asp)
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I tapped into your blog because I have a niece married to one of your capt's in 10th mountain who has been trying to get his troops and himself back to Fort Drum since before Christmas. I am a former Naval Aviator who served 25 years, a tour as a CO, and two combat tours in Vietnam with only a 7 month turnaround between so I have some idea of ops tempo. I find it interesting that Gen Casey has his "Cams" and an emphasis on talking to the troops getting their feedback-You use this to "keep your ear to the ground" But it is always attention to the little things that really get the job done. You had a group of soldiers coming home that were delayed in country for a number of reasons. They get on an airplane C-5 headed back-emergency landing in Italy (not anyone's fault-pressure problem) then a broke airplane in Rota as of Jan 5th. No word on when they were getting out of there. They have to pay for their lodging (I fault my Navy for not comping the guys) and reading his message there does not seem to be any concern or effort from his leadership on getting them back to their families. There was however concern and effort to get them to the fight. Through it all he says he and his soldiers can laugh about it. You can do all the public things you want to create the picture but but it is always the small things that get the job done.
Bob
(Moderator Note: Bob - thanks for your comment. Sorry it took so long to post but we wanted to do some fact finding and here's what we were able to find out: The original flight your niece's husband was manifested on had a window of departure from Bagram of 25-29 December. However, the original scheduled aircraft was delayed as you mentioned - for a number of reasons (maintenance issues, and part of crew going on emergency leave from previous mission). It finally departed on 2 January - and as you also noted experienced pressurization problems and had to land in Rota, Spain. Passengers traveling on this flight secured billeting in Rota - which is a reimbursable expense as per the Defense Travel Regulation. So that money is recoverable.)
I started this thread saying I am heartened by the comments our Army leadership has expressed with regards to dwell time and OPTEMPO. I appreciate you sharing your thoughts on this and other issues be they positive, negative or neutral. This is an invaluable resource that helps me see and understand the division and our community better.
MG T
While we could tactically win a war with only the Taliban who happen to currenlty be in Afghanistan, I ask what would we be winning? The distrust and hatred of the radical poverty stricken Islamic community? Vindication of their radical thoughts that we are as evil as they believe? We know from long experience that with this type of enemy, killing one only makes 4 more rise up in their place. What is America gaining?
The second issue that hits closer to home is soldier and family fatigue. How many casualities, deaths, PTSD cases, failed marriages, and psychologically damaged children are we willing to bear?
1. Deployments are too long and frought with inefficiencies and down time that damages morale and faith in the value of the mission.
2. Dwell time is too short and frought with absences for schools and training.
3. Training schedules are largely inaccurate and inefficient.
4. Human beings (soldiers, spouses, and children) inherently have some level of resiliency, but repetetive stressors take a toll on all, and some souls end up irrevocably damaged.
If our citizens, tax payers, leaders, and legislators feel that the price of this war is justified, then institute compulsory service for 2 years out of high school for men and women. One of two things will happen - perhaps both. The necessity of all conflict will be objectively and thoroughly evaluated by all not just those directly affected by it - so this war will be staffed and supplied appropriately, or deemed ineffective and unnecessary and therefore abandoned.
Thank you for keeping your Ear to the ground.
Climb to glory.
Totally against the "Surge" because it is by far the answer!
Frankly, I see a lot of broken disgruntled troops who stuck around because they believe the promises only to have them broken. How can you do any good somewhere when your will is broken?
We still have more troops in Iraq then we did before the surge there all along being told we are puling out. So really do any of us really think that we'll be pulling out of Iraq in 2011?
I am proud to serve my country and stand next to the men im with, but more thought needs to be put into the equality of deployments. Thank you for allowing my voice to be herd. Climb to Glory!!!!!
They did the same things to the Russians, who had much more manpower there than we ever did even after this "surge", they are doing to us. Stinging where they can with minimal losses and waiting for us to get tired of losing people and money.
We just returned in October of this year now we are preparing to leave again in august. What's this dwell time I keep hearing about? Then add stupid jrtc rotations that you learn nothing from cause your last deployment was only Nine months ago we get very little time with family.
My 2 cents...
I'm impressed to see both sides of the spectrum being allowed to be posted here. Its refreshing to be able to read everyone's opinion, not just those who only have nice things to say.
I believe that 12 month deployments, no decrease in dwell times, no stop-loss, volunteered extensions with $500 bonus's are all great.
12 month deployments are still long, any deployment away from family is long, but Its nice to know we will not spend any extra time away. Same thing with the 12 month dwell time.
As far as stop-loss and the new extension program, its nice to have a choice and not be stop-lossed if we dont want to be. I think that new plan was made more to benefit the VA more than the soldier. The VA has many issues with the new GI Bill, and all focus needs to be on processing GI Bill claims, and not Stop loss claims (I hope those who extended will be paid monthly, real-time, for their extension, not a lump-sum at the end... for obvious reasons if you are following the GI Bill ordeal.)
As for the mission for Afghanistan, I cant comment. No orders. Its hard to trust planning things when I still havent seen a date on paper.
My loyalty and respect for everyone in uniform cannot be unchallenged ... but this phase of Afghanistan is wrong.
To me, it's early 1965 all over again as we geared up then (moderna day surge). How'd that work out by 1973?
In Afghanistan the terrain is our #1 enemy ... plus no power / country has for any period of time ever controlled in any sense of that word the mixed and uneducated and staunchly independent tribes who are dead set on keeping any Western power out.
What makes us think that we will the first to crack that code is mind-boggling to me.
It's time to come home. Thanks for this forum, General, and good luck.
Dan Francis (Watertown)
I'm also suprised (that the comment was allowed) and I agree with the paratrooper about the parking lot thing. Only thing that county seems to be good for is breeding ignorance and illiteracy. Can we help someone (a country or a people) that actually appreciates the help?
Thanks for continuing the blog!
Climb to Glory
Respectfully,